Infidel
1:51 Mon Oct 23
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Quite honestly Brentford I did not.
But I’ve never been much good at noticing details. I would be useless as a police witness.
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The Kronic
1:38 Mon Oct 23
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Still laughing at his delusions of grandeur
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neilalex
1:31 Mon Oct 23
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Funnily enough that's the part of the ground I've been in for the handful of times I've been.
As I said earlier each to their own regarding the opinion on the stadium. I'd also agree that there was little alternative to moving. There was no way of knowing whether Tottenham's bid was serious or not, and I personally would not have taken the risk that they were bluffing, even if I thought, which I did, that it was more likely than not that they were. The medium to long consequences of them moving to Stratford would be entirely as suggested.
What predominantly grates with many is twofold; firstly, the experience of watching football in that stadium is intrinsically and irredeemably flawed. It's a fucking great big oval bowl and you're miles from the action. You don't feel involved, you're an observer as opposed to a participant.
Secondly, we were lied to relentlessly about how it would be. Suckered. As an example, that stupid old cunt Gold talking about the distance from the pitch, in a video someone put up a while back. We've also been lied to about the investment in the playing side which if anything has deteriorated vis a vis other 'top six' aspirants, and this was sold as one of the main reasons for moving.
I'm not that sentimental about the Boleyn, the ground in the 70's and 80's was the only one I get misty eyed about. However, it was a football ground and that was vital to the experience. As an aside, I always liked the walk from the tube even when it became Bangladesh. It was vibrant, engaging. The trek to that fucking bowl is just another example of how the sterile nature of the physical infrastructure leads to a bit of you emotionally disengaging.
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13 Brentford Rd
1:27 Mon Oct 23
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.....oh and I forgot to mention the athletics seats behind the temp seating clearly visible in the corners of the stadium.
Obviously you noticed none of this.
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13 Brentford Rd
1:25 Mon Oct 23
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No idea where that seat is Infidel?
So, did you or did you not notice the huge gaps between the tiers with Athletics seats and track below, and the scaffold temp seats with cable ties on breeze blocks?
Or the huge space around the pitch miles from the stands covered in cheap creased astro turf?
Care to comment?
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,
1:23 Mon Oct 23
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Farc 1:19
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Far Cough
1:19 Mon Oct 23
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Tottenham would never have moved into Stratford whether the stadium was knocked down or not, they only piped up to give them some leverage at Haringay council for building their own stadium
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1:19 Mon Oct 23
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Man up Infidel your opinions on football and politics are two entirely unrelated things. Your politics stink but I concur with some of your views on our club. Like you I agree that the club needs to keep up with the progress of our London rivals. Moving to the OS would have been the logical step whoever owns us too. I don't think, actually I know, that we have a squad good enough to challenge the top six other than the rare match where they have an off day. By the same token I am sure we have enough within the squad to be, if managed more effectively, safely in the top half of the table by the end of this season.
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The Kronic
1:13 Mon Oct 23
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i think it's more to do with the fact you need to type a fucking essay of inane bollocks every time you post, when every single one of them can easily be confined to a few words - I CHAT SHIT!
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Infidel
1:08 Mon Oct 23
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Brentford
I posted earlier where I sat. Bock 139, row 5.
Having read all the scathing criticisms on here for a year and a half I was expecting the LS to be a disaster, but it wasn't.
I honestly think a lot of you are so attached emotionally to the Boleyn that you would have criticised it whatever it looked like.
I have a lot of memories there too. My Dad took me to my first game there in 1968 and I went regularly in the late 60s and thereafter, including a few seasons as a STH.
I had some unforgettable days and nights at the Boleyn. I was there when we beat the scousers 4-1 in the League Cup. I was there when we beat Newcastle 8-1. I was there when we got promoted v Cambridge on the last day of the season in 1993 with the pitch invasion.
Games like these stay with you forever and burn themselves into your psyche. That stadium was a special place for me and always will be.
But we also have to be honest and not pretend that it was something it wasn't. It was a poor cousin of the top European club stadiums and it would never be anything else than a relic.
Talk of knocking down flats and extending it as some on this thread seem to have wanted is exactly the sort of 2-bob thinking that has plagued this club under Terry Brown, the Icelandics and now G&S.
I had a season ticket at the San Siro when I lived in Milan. It always struck me when I went there that Upton Park, much as I love it, makes a statement about our club that is so far behind the best in Europe.
Look at the Emirates. Look at the new stadium Tottenham is building. The world is changing and either we keep up and move up or we die a slow death until we become Leyton Orient.
I think our current owners are a shower of clowns who aren't fit to run a lemonade stand but they made absolutely the right decision with the LS.
Once London was awarded the Olympics in 2005 the writing was on the wall. There would be a big new stadium in Stratford and the legacy use of it would have to be as a home for one of the London football clubs.
It has a running track today not because of G&S but because Sebastian Coe, the most incompetent Olympic chief in modern history, wrote it into the bid documents and guaranteed it. But if we had not got the stadium Tottenham would have - and ten years from now kids all over the East End would be wearing Tottenham shirts. You do not let the enemy park his tanks on your lawn.
Getting that stadium was an existential issue for us. It would have destroyed West Ham United to stay at UP with Tottenham playing down the road in a 60,000 seater. And why stay? Because there's a hardcore of fans who cling on to their memories and can't let go?
Like I said before, I have no problem with any supporter who doesn't like the LS for whatever reason but it's a matter of opinion.
My own view is that more than half the problem here is that moving there coincided with a disastrous run of form. Since we moved to the LS we have played 23 league matches and won only 9. We've lost 10 and drawn 4. And there have been too many heavy defeats.
Some have drawn the infantile conclusion that the LS - even, bizzarely, the green strip around the pitch (wtf?) - has caused the poor performances. That is nonsense - other teams have to play there too and they are even less used to it than we are. The issue we have is that our manager isn't up to the job. It's that simple.
It's incredible that the chief antagonists on this thread are the same people who week in week out in the match threads slag off Bilic for his team selections, for playing players out of position, for making the wrong substitutions, for persisting with useless players, fr having no game plan - yet on this thread they are frothing at the mouth because I am blaming Bilic for what has happened on the pitch.
I suspect it has a lot more to do with the fact they don't like my politics, but maybe that's just speculation on my part.
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13 Brentford Rd
12:19 Mon Oct 23
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He must have sat in the middle of the Eastside, the part where there is not a 40ft gap between tiers.
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Northern Sold
12:08 Mon Oct 23
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Hey Infidel... next year I'll sort you out a ticket for Champions Day at ASCOT... £15-00... then you will see how a WORLD CLASS Sporting arena and Grandstand looks like.... not sure there are any plastic ties holding it up mind you... athletics there?? Well you'd get a decent run up on the straight if we build a sand pit there...
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Dr Moose
11:55 Mon Oct 23
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The stadium is a bit like those dodgy Winter Wonderland events that pop up, you get sucked in by the CGI on their website, pay £30 to go then rock up to see a load of cardboard boxes painted and a few minimum wage workers smoking and not giving a shit.
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13 Brentford Rd
11:42 Mon Oct 23
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Did you not notice the 40 foot gap with Athletics seats below covered in claret tarpaulin, the the temporary scaffold seats resting in breeze blocks, and the 60ft gap round the edge of the pitch covered in green carpet that doesn't even lay flush on your FIRST visit Infidel?
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Northern Sold
11:23 Mon Oct 23
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Ha Ha Ha Ha.... this place is NUTS!!!
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Johnson
10:55 Mon Oct 23
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Everyone trails behind you with your comments about squad strength however.
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Infidel
10:52 Mon Oct 23
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BetterthanKaka
So let me get this straight: first time you went to a match at the LS you didn’t express any opinion on it? No first impressions, no early thoughts?
When asked ‘what do you think of the new stadium’ you replied “well I’ve only been once so it really isn’t my place to express an opinion”.
There are quite a few candidates for Idiot of the Year on this thread but you are well up there with the best of them.
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BetterthanKaka
10:05 Mon Oct 23
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' That was my first visit last night'
Stopped reading there. Fuck off.
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BRANDED
9:38 Mon Oct 23
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Fidle in massive wind up shocker.
Mind you Man City came good so you never know.
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